Hung La On Heroes and Villains

June 23, 2023

When we think of gang culture, the first thing that comes to mind isn’t a bright yellow floral pattern. But Hung La does more than subvert our expectations about the clothes worn by people. He’s also changing the way we think about the people wearing the clothes. Having previously held roles at Balenciaga and Celine, La is on a mission to explore identity and place through his label Lu’u Dan. For his A/W23 campaign, he collaborated with AI artist Luke Nugent to turn stereotypes about Asian masculinity and representation on their heads — unlocking worlds of potential for the Asian male.

office sat down with La to discuss his new collection, collab with Nugent, and AI’s impact on the creative industry.

Interview by Meyme Nakash
Photos courtesy of Lu'u Dan, Image Creation by Luke Nugent

What is Lu’u Dan?

Lu'u Dan means “dangerous man,” or enraged in Vietnamese.

Cool. So are you Vietnamese?

I grew up in America. My parents are Vietnamese. They immigrated after the Vietnam War.

How has your Asian identity influenced your work as a designer?

I’ve never worked around identity — my personal identity — until the murder of George Floyd. Suddenly, there was this huge awakening regarding race. And then I realized that there isn’t enough representation of the Asian male.

How does Lu’u Dan represent your perception of Asian masculinity?

Lu’u Dan was born around this idea of a dangerous man, a bad boy. And the most common representation of that in western media is the Asian villain, this kung fu expert or bomb kind of technician. And for me, that type of character needs more depth. He’s not fleshed out enough, he’s a one dimensional trope.

That’s so interesting. Is that where the Japanese bōsōzoku gangs come into play?

Right, so we’re playing with symbols of punk rebellion and gang culture. Bōsōzoku is a kind of motorcycle gang culture from the seventies and eighties. What Lu’u Dan does is spotlight the untold stories of Asian gang culture through a fashion lens to add depth and authenticity to those characters.

When it comes to AI, we shouldn’t fear the unknown... It’s all a necessary part of our evolution. No mud, no lotus.

What stereotypes are you battling against?

Between the West and the East, there’s two polarizing ideas of Asian masculinity. You have the effeminate nerd, the shy kind of really good at math like Asian American Club members. And then you have these villains in movies who are doing kung fu but there’s no depth behind their character.

Who’s your role model?

I’m doing an op-ed that’s coming out in July about role models. But growing up, I didn’t have role models with my complexion. So my role models were Tupac and Kurt Cobain.

A/W23 as a movie.

Sonatine by Takeshi Kitano. Kitano’s movies are all about duality. You’re always asking yourself, “Who’s the good/bad cop?” “Who’s the hero?”

How was working with Luke Nugent on this campaign?

Luke is really ahead of the game when it comes to AI. So it goes like this. If I type “Asian gang” into an AI generator, it’s going to spit out the most stereotypical images because it’s giving you a composite of popular images related to that prompt. What Luke does is kind of trick the AI into contradicting itself, unlocking new worlds where that tension exists to create new possibilities.

Wait, so did the clothes come first or the AI images?

It’s the same as a regular fashion campaign. Instead of working with an art director and photographer, we worked with Luke to generate the images. The clothes came first.

Got it. And have you ever used AI to design clothes?

I haven’t used it for design yet.

Does art imitate life or does life imitate art?

It doesn’t matter. Art imitates life and life imitates art — it’s an endless cycle.

AI casts a shadow of uncertainty on the creative industry. Should we be afraid?

I’m really happy you asked that. There’s this story or little poem called, “No Mud, No Lotus.” Basically, it surrounds the idea that without the mud, there’s no lotus — so they must coexist. No villain, no hero — no darkness, no light. When it comes to AI, we shouldn’t fear the unknown. These tools have come to us for a reason and we should learn to use them so that we can get ahead of them and set boundaries. It’s all a necessary part of our evolution. No mud, no lotus.

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Happy 424 Day!

Simon Rasmussen — What's going on?

Guillermo Andrade — Right now we're just setting everything up.

So, what are you doing, is it a party?

Well, I kind of felt universally forced, right? Because 4/24/24, I was just like, I don’t really have a choice here. The stars also just kind of aligned, so to be honest, I got this settlement that came with a bunch of clothes so I had this idea to give back to the kids who fuck with us by allowing them to buy our shit first. Not handing stuff out for free, but to do it in a way where we could skip the middleman of the industry, so to speak, and not allow clothes to disappear into the abyss of Farfetch or whatever else. So what we’re going to do is a sort of warehouse sale, which we’ve never done before so that was really exciting for me. I didn’t want to do just another warehouse sale, so it’s like a sample sale turns rager. We teamed up with Adidas and a couple of other sponsors, then drinks, DJs, and a performance.

Sick, I love it.

Yeah. My dream sample sale. Also, it’s not just hoodies and t-shirts here in there, it’s proper collections from the past three seasons. I’m also not picking and choosing, trying to make it accessible, like this was the only way I could afford to buy shit when I was a kid, bro. Sample sales were the thing I looked forward to the most.

I feel you. In New York, there's the annual CDG sale, which is when I used to cop all my CDG.

The only time I could afford Rick. I flew to New York once for a Rick sample sale and I was like, Wow, I can't believe I got invited. And it was mental. I still have those pieces. I will never sell them. Not even because I got 'em cheap. It was also just really fun. Even on the flight to New York, I was like, I can't believe I'm going to New York for a sample sale, what a fucking loser I am. But it was like the adult version of when I was a kid and I was like, Wow, I can't believe I'm 20-something and I'm still doing the thing I was doing in high school. So I hope we can create moments like that for kids here in LA.

Yeah. I love that. It’s important to connect with them; they’re essentially creating the brand. If you don't have them, good luck.

I mean, yeah. Fuck, bro. It's cool that we've been around for this long. I mean, it got a little rocky there for a second I think, for all of us. So coming out of it, tomorrow is a celebration. And it’s like an odd day of the week. It's a Wednesday, super random. And now that we've set it up, the homies are all like, Yo, I'm coming. I'm coming. Let me jump on stage, let me do this, and that's really what it's always been about. It's not some other strategy to get likes on the internet.

That’s how the best things happen, you just couldn’t help yourself. It was intuitive.

Yeah, it all came together in a really nice way.

Would you say that’s how 424 started as well? I remember we met in like 2010 on Fairfax and I was visiting with Rasmus…

Oh bro, it’s probably the time when I started the branch… do you remember Cecilia from Black Dakini? She’s the one that introduced me to CIFF and honestly, I didn’t even care what she was doing, I was just like, I’m coming, I’ll go with you. She said she’d give me half of her booth and I said, Awesome count me in. At the time, I had just gotten my green card and I wasn't allowed to ever leave America, so Copenhagen was one of the first cities I went to when I could finally travel. I mean, you see what we did at CIFF bro? It became our fucking hub for half a decade.

That was a moment for sure.

I remember the first account I got was Antonioli, and he came super gangster, being like, You're going to sell me these clothes. And I was like, bro, I didn't come to sell clothes. I'm just kind of catching a vibe with my homie and I made these things. And he's like, No, you're going to sell it to me. And then I was like, Oh my god that’s Claudio Antonioli. So then I went home, I googled wholesale, and figured that shit out. [laughs]

[Laughs]

Like you said, I couldn't help myself, but I didn't just make t-shirts and hoodies either. I was really on my Rick wave, so I made my version of the Rick things. It was that meets like The Boondock Saints, because I'm still a little bit of a Cali bro, sort of rock kid, but not really. I like hip-hop, but I like the way the rock stars look. I like the contrast. I thought it was cool. After that, I just never stopped.

It was clear to me when I first met you that you were onto your own thing in LA. It made a lot of sense, and it was so cool. It was before 424 was its own brand; you just had the store and this really cool curation.

It was all my shit, bro. I was very, very invested in sharing all of these things that I was finding from all over the world, like Astrid Anderson. She was one of those designers at the time, so important to 424. The connection to Copenhagen specifically for me was huge. I had a big fan base there. It was incredible. And then here in LA, we were sharing the things that we were a part of and finding; it was still the early days of Fear of God, Rhude, Martine Rose. A lot of these brands, we were the first store to ever sell it — we were selling Hood By Air on the West Coast.

You had Rick as well, I remember.

Oh yeah. It took me a long time. But I got Rick, bro. By the time I had to close the store on Fairfax, I already had a Raf Simons account. I had reached my ultimate dream. It was really all the stuff I wanted to wear at the time. It was dope. The best of the best.

We had an office magazine newsstand in there as well.

Oh yeah, we did! I came to visit the one you had, and I was like, Yo, I got to bring this whole fucking thing over here. But yeah, in LA, after two days people forget you exist, but everyone’s been super supportive. We’re all 10 years older now. We've been around forever at this point.

It can be dangerous to take those breaks when you’re figuring shit out, but there’s something very genuine to this comeback you’re having.

Thank you, thank you. We’ve been in and out of those fucking showrooms in Paris for long enough. I've been in and out of these factories for the past 10 years of my life. We had to figure something out. And I think now really diving in, being in Italy full time and being there to develop these products over time, I think that the whole thing just really shows the suppliers respect you more. The people who are making your goods understand why you're making them. And I think now I finally got to the place where I'm not making Italian things, I’m making my clothes, I'm making Cali-centric shit, but with that European technicality and execution. With this Fall / Winter collection, it clicked.

So what’s the vision for the next year? What are you manifesting?

I'm just fucking relentless, bro. This is the way I want to live my life. Now that we are more aligned, more prepared, and have more experience, moving forward it is just more of becoming a fully functioning company that can provide and create opportunities for all of the people around me. We’ve been operating just on instinct for a long time.

Sustaining a business is scary, trust me I know.

Scary as fuck, dog. I just opened a store next to Bottega, bro, and it’s like what am I even doing? You have to just believe in the thing you're doing more than anybody else.

100%, and it seems like that’s what you’re doing.

And fashion’s kind of a competitive sport, as much as people don’t think it is. We can reach a certain level without losing ourselves. My biggest ambition at the moment is to create something that, when you leave one of our neighbors you come into our place you don’t feel that the level has been sacrificed at all. And it’s not easy.

Definitely. I wish I could be there tomorrow.

Thank you, bro. 10 years now. You’ve always shown me so much love. We have to do a booth or have the office part of the next 424 day. Shit let’s do a 424 day in New York.

That would be sick. Let's do it. I'm here. Let’s catch up soon.

Next season’s right around the corner so I’ll see you in Paris.

Yes, see you in Paris and Happy 424 day!

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Words and photos by Izzy Capulong

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