One thing I’ve come to respect so much about you is your laser focus — you have this deep ability to dive into your work.
I don't know where it comes from, but it's been something I've done for a really long time. I need a lot of solitude as a person, especially when I'm making something. I remember going into my university workshop days: they'd brief us in the morning and then I'd sneak out of class and work in my room by myself or go to the library, because I just couldn't have the external noise.
I think I’ve carried on with that need for a sense of solitude, to create.
I feel the same way. I feel like it’s an example of how systems in traditional education can be tricky, because you're kind of expected to be very tolerant of distraction and still focus.
Yeah, and this constant critique environment — it was so normalized. I mean, I wouldn't say this is a bad thing. But it's normalized to share your work and you know, critique everything, which I think is helpful. But for me, if the idea isn't developed, completely in my brain, and I haven't written about it and completely rolled out what I'm doing, and someone gives me an external opinion on it, it can honestly either throw me super far off course, to the point where I have to get back to where I started. It's weird — I have to execute something to know that I've executed it and then move on to the solution.
I think there are valid concerns people can have, about the one-size-fits-all model of education. When the track is that you have to participate in this same sort of schedule of creative process as other people in your class or your cohort — sometimes that doesn't work for people. I do think that traditional training in design is so deeply valuable; in many ways, this is more just a question about education in general. I've always been a person has had a very difficult time in any kind of traditional educational setting, no matter what I was studying. And because of my ADD, I just have my own kind of process. I do think it’s worth it to investigate the idea of applying one kind of learning model to everyone.
We all learn differently and absorb so differently.
Everyone's brains are so different. And as a person who really came into my creative career and in my 30s, there's always been a lot of pressure, from myself on myself; like, “Oh, my God, but like, everyone's 22 and they're doing so much.” But now that’s turned into using social media and sharing these kinds of stories with people, non-traditional creative stories, seeing others who have a similar experience. Sometimes it just takes longer for some people to cook.
Absolutely. It just takes a while to, but when you find your people, and people you can relate to and feel supported by and uplifted by — that's all … that's all you really need. And it's also just about not comparing your journey. I know that's so cliche — everybody says that — but it really really is. I started my modeling career rather late, in comparison to other models. I was 21. And there are people who started at 14 with developing their books.
But I found other other girls that are my age — you find community and strength and confidence in that. It’s easy to compare yourself, especially in design as well, because everyone has such a different journey into the field. And everyone has different levels of knowledge because of that.