You brought up earlier that a lot of the music when you were growing up in that scene was DIY, maybe people didn't even have instruments. Maybe this is just a dumb question, but were those songs ever produced?
Some of them, there's a few. There are a couple that made it to the internet. But so many things are just gone and they're gone forever. It became an obsession actually when I started writing the feature. I was contacting everyone I could from the past. I’d be like, "Okay, do you have any photos, burned CDs with like erased sharpie writings that you don't know what it is and it just sits there? Just give me everything."
I went back to Jerusalem after not living there for about eight years at that point. I rented a tiny little room in some apartment downtown and I told people to bring things there. Bring anything like CDs, clothes, and anything you don't want.
So this was all inclusive of the years of research that it took for you to make Arava?
Yeah, it was a part of that. People shared really personal things with me, but they never even asked to have it back. Some of them I still have and I'll have forever.
That must have been cathartic for you to revisit your past and look back on what you went through, but looking at it from the perspective that you have now.
Something that was happening to me a lot before I made the film is that my memory just kind of erased a lot of years because they were traumatic. And I left when I was too young to leave, obviously. I think I just didn't wanna look back or think about it. I was like, "Okay, I'm moving to another country alone and I'm gonna just... fuck it, see what happens and never look back."
It was really traumatic when I lost my mom. Then when I made the film, I think it was also a process of healing. It was time to piece together these really blurred images to try to understand what happened there. I think that in this whole research in the film and in me contacting all these people from the past, it was all part of some sort of self-portrait.
You do casting and have your own casting agency, so how was the casting for your film?
It was the best part and the part that when we premiered the film that people were the most excited about it. There's two leads, Batel and Swell. It's funny cuz Batel was actually a casting assistant for Memorial Di in New York when I first started working on film scoutings. She was an assistant and was the best scout. She has a really good eye for characters and she has really good taste, really good references. I was so impressed, like a kid this young, with this crazy world of references. I'm not even gonna have her world of references in 10 years, you know?
Wow.
So she was working with me and then simultaneously I scouted Swell on the bus near Jerusalem when she was 18. And I was like, "Hey, I might make a film one day. I like you, you have something— can we keep in contact?" And she was like, "Yeah, sure." In the meantime, between meeting Swell and making the film, Covid happened and I told Batel, "Hey, I don't know if the world is ending or not, but if it is, we have to go back to Jerusalem, and we have to make something about Jerusalem."
So it all starts from actors. Then we saw Swell at an audition. I was like, "I met this girl a few years ago, let's call her in." And she came for an audition. They became friends and they actually became roommates for that summer.
Working with people that already have that connection is great because as good as actors are, I feel like unless it's something in real life that they're tapping into, it's kind of hard to portray those emotions.
I completely agree. For us too, we do so many non-actor, non-model kind of things. It's a lot easier for us to approach people who are similar to the characters in real life in some way. They have something in common with the characters. Having these two girls from Jerusalem who have this friendship already and this dynamic. The dialogues are mostly improvised. We needed them to bring a lot of their own spirit into it.