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Dora Jar Sets Our Hearts Ablaze

Angelina Hazzouri—  How do you feel about No Way to Relax When You Are on Fire coming out?

 

Dora Jar— I'm bubbling inside. I've been going through it a little bit, and I don't know how related it is to the anticipation of the album, but today, I feel like I’m really here, and that feels good. It's been a minute since I've been totally in my bones. I'm sure it'll come in waves.

 

This album is definitely long-awaited. You’ve opened for some huge acts in the past, like Billie Eilish and The 1975, but this feels like a proper introduction to Dora Jar. Does it feel like a rebirth in a way? 

 

Totally, it’s a rebirth in a lot of ways. It feels like beginning again. I’m very curious how people are going to feel about it. Will they relate to it? What are people’s favorite songs going to be? There's a whole range of sounds that I explore on it, so I’m excited to see how it connects.

 

The range of sounds is really interesting. You worked with several notable producers on this album [Ralph Castelli, Henry Kwapis, George Daniel, Rostam Batmanglij], and yet it sounds very cohesive. What was it like working with them, and how did you manage to blend their different sounds into such a concise record?

 

I think it works because every song ultimately comes from my obsession with guitar, from sitting on my own and basking in the chaos and the contradictions of who I am and letting this come out in a pure way — or at least as unfiltered as possible. I don't really strive to make pop songs that wrap around lyrically and make total sense immediately. I’m very much someone who operates under “first thought, best thought” and hone that. I definitely drive with impulse. That's probably why it sounds cohesive — because it is just my imagination on a plate. 

 

I love that analogy. 

 

Yeah. Ralph Costelli is my main ride-or-die guy who I bring my ideas to, and he was a huge part of seeing this whole album through and imagining what its identity would be, but also what the emotion of it would be. We always went back to curious versus serious. If something ever felt too serious, we were like, “Hmm, all right, how do we bring play back into this and ‘impulsify’ it?” But yeah, so many amazing people I got to work with on this.

I'm down to be whimsical. It’s cool.

 

Since this is your debut album, I would imagine it feels extra personal. What was your inspiration for the title track, "No Way to Relax When You Are on Fire?"

 

I started writing it about two and a half years ago, and at first, I thought I was writing about this New Year's party that was the first fun New Year's party I'd ever been to. Then, I was referencing a relationship I had in high school with someone who had an addiction problem. I was writing about that chaos — no way to rise up when you're already high — that feeling of hitting the ceiling. Then I was like, oh my god, that's so real for me, not in an addiction way, but in the way that life is so intense. Sometimes I really don't know how to make sense of all the energy I have inside me. I have a huge ability to experience joy and be amazed at the world, but on the opposite end, sometimes I can feel so intensely sad and lost and confused. So it’s the shooting star of life. I don't know, I really don't know what it's about, but it just feels like fire. It's fire. 

 

When I listened to it, it reminded me of the feeling of imposter syndrome, which is something that people don't often talk about honestly. When you're moving so fast — as any type of artist — it might feel like you have to prove yourself out of fear of being an imposter.

 

Yeah! I've been having a lot of epiphanies about this. What I think is imposter syndrome is when you're doing too much that you forget to feel yourself. You aren't connected to yourself, and you are an imposter. You're just arriving into situations — not as yourself — because you haven't checked in with yourself. I did this giant mushroom trip when I was 19, and it changed my life. I had been avoiding confronting a lot of grief I had about losing my sister when I was 14. I didn't really talk about her or let anyone in on that, so I was performing as someone who was totally okay. Like I was really creative, but I was blocking myself off from feeling, and therefore blocking other people off from being vulnerable to me. I don't believe we can really connect unless we are truly able to open our hearts. 

 

Thank you for sharing that. 

 

You're welcome, yeah. That's my latest epiphany. Imposter syndrome — it’s not being connected to yourself.

 

I'm sure through writing this you learned a lot about yourself. Was there anything else you learned during this process that totally shocked you?

 

Okay, this is so funny — the way everything happens in this business is so off the timing of what it should be. Like I always realize what things are about way later. This is all a mushroom trip in itself. [Laughs] I'm doing all these interviews, and then in a month I'm going to be like, “Oh now I know what the album is about!” right? So I’m very open to the mystery. I think this album is about me. Wait, did you ask what the album is about?

 

No, not yet. I mean, I can right now. At this point in time, what is the album about?

 

[Laughs] Dude… honestly? This album is about me making my first album. 

 

Hell yeah. 

 

I'm figuring it out.

Dude, honestly? This album is about me making my first album.

That’s totally fair. Do you have a favorite song on the album?

 

This will change, I'm sure, but I think “Ragdoll” right now, because it's just so fun to play. It's such a spiderweb. I always feel like I'm a spider when I'm writing these riffs. Cannonball is also such a fun one to play, and I'm so excited for that one live. It's full of all this imagery that I didn't really know. Like, why was I being drawn to like a cannonball? I just knew I wanted to write a sea shanty, so Cannonball made sense, and then I realized I was writing about a forbidden love.

 

Do you have a favorite lyric?

 

 

First thing that comes to mind is from “Behind the Curtain,” which is “big brain make bomb, check out my song, don't blame your mom, pull the lever.” I wrote it after I watched Oppenheimer because I was so shocked by it. I love Albert Einstein. I'm obsessed with him and also Carl Sagan — all these scientists — and it just is so shocking that the greatest brains of our humanity were a huge part of making the most destructive object we have in the world. And then I'm just here making music. 

 

What are some of your other inspirations for the album?

 

Good question. My scared self, who’s also the part of me that I'm afraid to reveal — she wrote the album. The version of me singing it is the one who's not afraid to share it. They shook hands and collaborated on this album, if that makes sense. 

 

My self-consciousness: big inspiration. Carl Jung: huge inspiration for being able to face those things and still have love for myself in those hard moments. Mary Poppins: my queen of surprises. She's my muse. That movie inspired the cover art.

 

I love it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I was listening to the album, I got a sense of whimsy, which I loved. It sounds very whimsical.

 

Yeah, I love whimsy. I feel like people use that word a lot lately.

 

Whimsy is in.

 

I love it. I would say whimsy is finding joy in things that don’t make sense, like Alice in Wonderland. She's in a world of nonsense, and it's so peculiar and fascinating. So yeah, I'm down to be whimsical. It’s cool.

 

This is obviously such an exciting time for you. What’s one thing you want listeners to know when the album comes out?

 

At its best, music makes people feel how the creator was feeling. I just hope that it resonates and that people see my openness to the mysteries of life and the nonsense. Being patient with the discomfort of being in the unknown. Being brave enough to be in that liminal space. I hope that people can face those moments and soundtrack it with this.

No Way to Relax When You Are on Fire is out now on Island Records.

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