What's Happening with Baby Jane: The Horror-Story Protagonist Leading EDM, and a Coven
I had the privilege to speak with the ethereal, sweet miss Baby Jane, based in Los Angeles. Born to Soviet immigrants in Oakland, I asked how it must be to perform in the place you grew up. She solidified herself as relatable when she shared she was never uber popular and prefers to keep a small circle, so having a supportive crowd show up purely for your music is amazing. She fully dedicated herself to music at the age of fourteen and has since built an impressive portfolio rewarded with a fanbase just as dedicated to her. She's built a whole world for fans to get lost in, and in this world you're one of three things: a cowboy, warrior, or goddess. What makes Baby Jane such an imaginative creator is her open indulgence in fantasy and wistfulness, with love being the bottom line of everything.


Your name is an obvious nod to the classic thriller, What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? [in which ‘Baby Jane’ — an aging former child star — torments her wheelchair-bound sister Blanche — a famous actress following Baby Jane’s short-lived success]. Do you resonate more with the pursuit for fame or indulgence in retribution?
The initial spark of inspiration when I was watching that movie was [Jane's] desperation, so the former. Her whole behavior was kinda pathetic and ego-driven and I'm seventeen watching thinking, "You know what, it is pretty embarrassing to pursue this and trying so hard to get attention from people. Why deny that that's a big aspect of why we pursue [fame]?" So I decided just to wear that. Additionally, it reminds me of the love that I share for classic movies with my dad; we watched it together for the first time.
Yes, I saw it was a tradition for you guys to watch film noir movies every Sunday? That's a really sweet routine to have. Your instagram handle is @babyjanelives — what everyday routines or mundanities make you feel alive?
Everyday is kind of the same: wake up, work on my project, try to stay inspired, try to be in nature. I drive through the canyons a lot. I pray everyday so that's changed my life and gives me a lot of stability.
Your fanbase is dubbed The Coven with you as their High Priestess. What's the synopsis of your own religious manifesto?
I have one! It’s kind of like the bottom of the iceberg when it comes to my coven. When you join the discord you sort yourself into one of three archetypes: the cowboy, the goddess, the warrior. There's also the Six Principles of Terem — which are kind of like rules to live by, not so much a religion but a spiritual guideline [each spiritual archetype unlocks The Innate Superpowers of They. The Six Principles of Terem will lead them to The Divine Meadow]. And there's The Noble and Slow Burning Pleasures of the Simulation, which is another group of thoughts and ideologies... The whole thing is based on finding your own relationship with love and spirituality and empowerment. It's a cool thing fans can get into. I have a lot of plans for it but right now the music comes first.


How did you come to this arrangement of the three archetypes? Do these three share a common characteristic?
Each archetype represents a spiritual path and the way that you feel empowered in life. All of them have short stories you can find on terem.xyz.
[The cowboy is on a quest for personal freedom, the warrior for moral purpose, and the goddess for genuine connection. The cowboy believes in some place else, the warrior righteousness, the goddess beauty; once they learn that it does not exist until it ceases to be sought they will learn peace.]
Which archetype do you identify with? Or are you a secret fourth thing? After taking the quiz and reading about each archetype, I'd like to identify as a cowboy-goddess.
You might be the first fusion. I’m the original cowboy, the first cowboy.

When you're on the decks, you don a medieval-looking torture device, commonly called branks, used as public punishment to silence women. Tell me the story behind the branks. It's meant to allude to a song of yours and I heard it was fanmade, is that true? It's a visual element that adds to your virality. Did you always plan to incorporate the mask into your image?
I guess the origin origin is when I was in Luca, Italy and I went to a medieval torture museum. I must've seen something [that got me] really into torture devices and learning about them. On my first album, Otherworld, I wrote a song called “Put Me in the Branks”. My super og fans heard that song and one of them is a carpenter/welder in Alabama. One day he just said in the discord “Send me your head measurements” - shoutout Jack Hawkins! - and it kind of lined up with when I was going to do HÖR Berlin and I decided it'd be pretty cool to wear it. It all happened very organically.


Do you plan to invest in more?
I did six dates in the U.S. where I wore a lighter replica made out of aluminum that I can travel with. I like the visual of it but I am thinking I don't know if I want to DJ in it every single time; I have other ideas I want to showcase. So I'm just going to follow my intuition.
I feel like you have an intuition that's spot on.
I appreciate that. It's practicing it not questioning it, because I think we all have intuition but it's just, how loud are the doubts?

During a performance you transition from a silent, muzzle-bearing, bouncing DJ to an energetic, twirling live performer. Do you have any sensation in this transition, in the moment of breaking yourself free of the muzzle?
I love the theatrical element… it's a performance, it's very much Baby Jane, it feels really special. There is a satisfaction [from] the reaction I get from the crowd every time I take it off and they're excited I'm about to sing.

You've recently finished a month of the Strange Days Tour — congratulations! What was your most memorable rose and thorn from the experience? Any buds planted for what's to come next?
The rose was meeting the fans, that was just really, really crazy. I get a lot of dms and you see the numbers and the stats and the comments online, but it's so different to actually go face to face and meet the people who listen to your music. The thorn was some of the sleeping situations. I'm looking forward to playing more shows in more cities. Strange Days will continue — that was the first one, Strange Days is the name for that particular hybrid set so I'm going to be touring more dates with that. This summer I'm trying to set up some Europe stuff.
You bring the hardstyle of European rave culture to the the U.S., simultaneously bridging international genres and leading the western sound of new wave electronic trance. What would you like to see more of in the western scene?
There is an incredible, incredible level of creativity and community in the electronic scene in Eastern Europe right now. I really love that I've found kind of like a virtual sense of community there with a lot of the producers that I work with - like LONOWN and akiaura - and people in the angelcore scene and wave music and witch house. I really love being able to perform that in the U.S. and singing English songs over it. I just hope that more people discover the genre, how inspired what's going on over there is. It's completely not derivative. I think in the U.S. it's real easy to get stuck in an echo chamber of what's popular and what's moving and then you just kind of have all of these little clones — respectfully. I guess there's clones of that [in Europe] too, but it does feel like I've found a really cool sense of community and I'd love to bring more of that to the mainstream here.

About your upcoming album, Winter Forever, you said it was initially meant to express loneliness but instead morphed to explore personal freedom and escapism (very much embodying the cowboy archetype). Do you find that true individual freedom comes with a trade off of loneliness? Which would you rather be: truly free but alone or bound to limitations but within a community?
I do, it's a double edge sword. I'd rather be truly free and alone. I think that's what the cowboy archetype represents — funny how it all ties back in — complete detachment.
It's an artform. We’re so easily attached to things in a way that ends up holding you back from being open to possibilities and change.
Everything is changing all the time, then as soon as you start grasping on to something, there's death.
Your sophomore album is titled A Grave Marked Strange; How do you want your own gravestone marked?
Maybe "Unmarked". Or a mirror.
Your album will be released in a little over a month now. If A Grave Marked Strange represented the grave we'll meet at, how will Winter Forever expand upon your materializing world? What are some of the album's key takeaways?
I think A Grave Marked Strange represented a place outside of circumstance where the perfect romance could exist. When I started Winter Forever, it was about such a deep feeling of cynicism and loneliness and then through the music I discovered that - kind of like we were just talking about - that is the gateway to experience in life and joy and complete surrender to everything. The album is about personal liberation. The through line with all my music is just duality; there's always a little bit of darkness and a little bit of light and a little bit of fantasy and a little bit of honesty.


Your persona — both visually and musically — is very grounded in mysticism and horror, and the world you've simulated is dark yet delicate. What is it about these gothic visuals that captivate you?
I like that it exists outside of any frame of time. It's supposed to be otherworldly and fantastical and not rooted in whats happening now with trends. I want people to look back at my visuals and not be able to tell when it was shot.

I love that it plays a lot into fantasy, to me thats the whole point of dress. Playing more into fantasy is your association with gaming. Your brand image is adjacent to the eerie Silent Hill, your song “Eternal Embrace” is featured in the indie horror game Scary Shawarma Kiosk, and you’ve hosted a Halloween meet and greet on Roblox. The gaming community seems to support you as much as you draw from it. Is gaming a form of escapism you practice?
No, I don't game at all. I like the visuals that people have compared some of my videos to, like Silent Hill and Resident Evil, that made me get into the aesthetics of it. I used the original Silent Hill game on an old CRT in the "Starry Eyed" music video and that was the homage for what happened to "Eternal Embrace" and how it went viral on Roblox. I think that the surreal visuals represent emotion better than it does the details of a story.
What would your role be in a horror film/game?
I would be a lost protagonist for sure. I was thinking today how I want to create a short film where I play both the terrified protagonist and also the creature.

Winter Forever is a pioneer of the ethereal synthwave microgenre “angelcore”, in contrast to the gothic/witch house of former albums. As you delve further into your career, do you see yourself mastering one niche or constantly exploring new sonic landscapes?
I don't really want to be too precious with one niche because I think that stagnates you. I think it will expand. This one we expanded a lot but all the songs sound very much me. There's a lot of hard style in it like all of the niches have blended together in a way that it has created something different.


















