O—When it comes to “Ghost Town,” did you anticipate theoverwhelming response? There are so many great artists on that album, but every review was about that feature. Was that surprising? Or was it reassuring to know that you’re doing exactly what you’re supposed to?
0S—I feel like I’m very fourth-dimensional, or fifth- dimensional even, because I don’t get caught up in things in 3D. I just do what I have to, what I know I’m supposed to. I have tunnel vision, in that sense. My mind has to stay focused only on what I want. I can’t get lost in articles, or critics and all that, because then I’m stepping off my path. I’m just walking through this life, doing what I was meant to. Things are going to happen that are meant to happen, and I can’t get surprised. I can’t get lost.
O—Is that why you chose to isolate yourself while recording Modus Vivendi?
0S—That process was a life lesson. I disciplined myself, I went into an extreme focus, and showed myself and the people around me that when you’re focused on something, this is what you get. Like, when you want something and you actually focus, this is what’s going to happen. So, I had to seclude myself. I was in a room with no windows, there was no time—I mean, there was the time on the computer, but we actually put tape over it, so we didn’t know what time it was, if it was nighttime or daytime—we really just focused on the project and it was like practice for me in my life where I could just be very disciplined.
O—Do you try to approach everything with that same kind of hyper-focus? I know you don’t have a cell phone, is that so you’re not distracted by things like social media?
0S—I have to give a hundred percent to everything that I’m doing or I won’t get the results that I want. If I’m half-assing something, it’s going to sound half-assed, you know? I won’t be the greatest if I’m only trying to be half-great. Michael Jackson wasn’t just like, “You know, I’ll do this later.” Nah— it took a lot for him to become who he was. He definitely wasn’t just scrolling on fucking—I don’t even know what they had back then—and I don’t have a phone, so I’m almost there.
O—You do have social media, though you don’t use it very often. When you do, you usually share photos of you and your girlfriend, Sophia. I’ve also noticed you post about sustainability and the future of our planet. For someone who’s pretty anti-technology, why have you chosen that as your medium to communicate that message?
0S—If you want to help the world, you have to speak to the world. And in the time we’re living in, the best outlet to do that is social media. So, I find it’s important to use it in a positive way, and not just be selfish, but to think about something bigger, and spread something bigger—bigger than myself, bigger than my music, bigger than what’s going on in my life. I really have a drive to help people, and my girlfriend is very involved in the whole planet, earth, animal stuff—she always gets in my head about that. But I have always been into how I can help, and if you have an outlet, you should really use it and be positive, especially if you have a way to get to the world. It’s important. This is our home, this is our temple, this is part of us. Even though we don’t know it, we are one with this thing, and you should treat the earth like you treat your body. On a larger scale, it is our body—it’s part of us. We’re only alive, we’re only breathing, because of the earth, because of the water and the leaves on the trees, and we’re cutting down our source of oxygen. On a smaller scale, we’re doing the same thing to our bodies. We’re fucking this whole shit up, and our kids are going to have to pay for it if we keep doing what we’re doing.