How has your quarantine been?
Pretty average. But it was hard for me to transition into making music remotely, because my favorite part of this whole thing is the communal and social aspect. Quarantine really made me realize how much I feed off conversation. Like here in LA, it all works very informally. I might randomly go to a friend’s studio to hang out and then we end up making something, and then this other person comes. Like I was saying, it’s a whole free-flowing thing. I feed off that energy, so not having that available to me has definitely been difficult.
How do you feel about LA compared to the other places you've lived?
Well LA is great for me because of this open music-making culture. And of course, there are hierarchies of shit, but for the most part, I've found that people are pretty open to creating together. Obviously it's our job, but it's also a form of socializing here. In New York, for example, when I was just making more electronic instrumental music, I had a ton of friends there doing shit, and we were mutual fans of one another, but there was no culture of collaboration for a social sake. That just did not exist. We’d go to a bar, but we would never make music together; whereas now, hanging out with a friend consists of going over to their house, shooting the shit, and making some shitty song that'll never see the light of day.
What impact would you like to leave on the LA music scene and pop music as a whole?
I've just learned that great art doesn't come about through any kind of goal. It happens through doing stuff freely and naturally. That's a message I want to spread and I know it's maybe not for everyone, but man, who fucking cares about a big-name feature for some shit, or how whatever is going to chart, or if you’ll get on playlists and shit.
Doing stuff you love with people you love is what’s had the biggest impact on me, and I would assume that translates with at least some other people. I also just think it's kind of like, healthy, and stuff. People should open it up and make it more about making good shit rather than opportunistic shit.
That's a great message, especially because it’s possible to calculate everything now. You can put X amount of money into TikTok placements, Y amount into targeted ads, etcetera, etcetera. I know a lot of musicians who feel like they won’t find success if they don’t play the modern marketing game, but in actuality, many of them would be happier—and make way better music, which truly gives them a better shot at a sustainable career—if they went in on having fun and creating with loved ones. I think people need to hear this and hopefully hearing it from you will hit home.
That is literally one of the biggest revelations in my little life. And I completely learned this from Justin Vernon from Bon Iver. He's never even said that explicitly, I've just observed it from working with him a lot. At this point he could give a fuck about anyone’s, like, name, or whatever. Like who fucking cares.
When I first went to work with him, it was just a group of us hanging out and doing shit. I certainly was not any kind of name, but it wasn't about that, and I realized if you approach things from a place of honesty, and purity in your intention, and just do shit to do it, not to get money or fucking recognition, you'll be more fulfilled, your music will be better, and the world will be better. That's my evangelical making-music-with-a-free-spirit pitch.
I love it. Thanks for taking the time, Jim-E, I really appreciate it.
Thank you, for caring.