And the drama queen portion was supposed to show the juxtaposition of winning and being victorious. It's supposed to represent some of the more chaotic and darker moments of being a pageant queen, which relates to being in the limelight and having a career in entertainment. What are some dark moments you found within your career that have impacted you as the person you are today?
Yeah. It's so many, like as much as it is good, It's definitely not all glitz and glam. So, just like the critics, listening to the haters, and the comments, and stuff — at the end of the day, we're still human. So it does have an effect on us as artists. Like we're not numb to it. You know, we still have emotions and feelings like everyone else. So yeah, I can get caught up in the comments or like blogs and stuff like that, that can like get me feeling a little down. And it's just people just doubting you, period. It's people not believing in you. It's been so many times that a artists that I wanted to do a feature with, or before I was signed to RCA, labels that I wanted to be a part of, I wanted to sign with or whatever. There were like so many times people told me no, or, you know, "I don't see the vision. I don't believe in it." You know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of dark moments, but you know, at the end of the day, it's worth it cause those same people circled back.
I was going to say I never hear any —besides like the name controversy, I never hear of you doing something or having beef with someone, etc. I just kind of hear you rap and then you kinda go into your corner, and you're kind of quiet. So what are some like ethics and values that you hold true to yourself?
The main reason why I'm not into all that is just because I didn't grow up in that household. Like, I grew up in a very supportive and happy household. Like we weren't raised to be jealous or hateful towards other people. It was always like we were taught you sit back and wait for your turn and you put in the work for it to eventually for it to be your turn. But, you don't have any envy for anyone who's experiencing their moment at the time because your moment is going to come. Like in school and stuff, I was never like the mean girl that just picked on other girls, or hated other girls. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, in the industry, it's no different than cliques in school and stuff like that. Like, I am just super supportive. It's just literally not in my blood. And then I'm just so like business, goal-driven, and it's like, I'm so focused on myself. I really literally do not have time to even look your way to see what you're doing. I'm so busy trying to be a better me, that I really have no regard to what you're doing.
I think people who are often very jealous and envious of other people are insecure within themselves and feel like they lack something that that person has. So let's talk about the new album, what is the biggest difference that we can hear in this music versus what you've done in the past?
I feel like it's just the growth in the beat selections, the flows, the topics of the songs, the features, the producers— just everything is like growth. I really was like— through the pandemic, through just like not being able to perform like that, and not being able to just be outside, like how the industry normally works. You just had time to just like perfect your craft and just try to be a better artist. I feel like you're going to hear that in the music. I traveled across the country to just like catch a vibe, like catching a vibe, and just bring out different sounds out of me. I know my potential is crazy, so I just wanted to work with new people, and be in new environments that could like bring more of that out of me. So, you're gonna hear the elevation for sure.
I saw you're working with Pharrell, what was it like working in a studio with him? And did he give you one of his iconic speeches that he does in a studio session?
Oh, my god! Yes, he did. First of all, I was so nervous because I kept telling my manager "Are you sure he wants to work with me? Like, it's no way that Pharrel even knows who the fuck I am. Ya'll are playing with me!" And they're like, "No, he wants to work with you." I'm like, "Well, why does he want to work with me?" Like my mind could not grasp the concept that Pharrell wanted me to pull upon him in Miami, and lock in for a week. Nah, there's no way. But yeah, we did lock-in for a week and we got a lot of dope records out of it. He definitely gave me a couple of his iconic speeches, and just like made me see a bigger me. And the crazy thing is, is that those sessions were like kind of in the beginning stages of the album. So it was super necessary. It set the tone for the rest of the recording process. He was like, "You know, you gotta see your potential!" And he's telling me this thing called "house music," right?
You didn't know what house music was?
No, listen, he has his own definition for it. So he says "we're making house music." And I'm like, "I don't make the house music." And he's like, "no, no, no, no, no, "house music" is when you dropped this music, you gon' buy some more houses with this music." I'm like "Oooh! I'm making Birkin music" I'm like "yeah, I like that!" So every time we would take a toast, we would cheers to "house music."