Diva Corp Is Disrupting the LA Art Scene
What is your algorithm serving you these days?
Recently I’ve been really into these TikTok edits, I watch them every morning. Not sure what they’re called, but they’ve got this song from Tron, and then just fantastic clips of a rocket ship, and then vintage paparazzi Kylie Jenner, then a drug mule on a cigarette boat, then a beach on the Amalfi coast. It’s like coffee without the jitters. It propels me without fear. Much better than Instagram. All I see over there is writers making sex their whole personality. Is there anything less interesting than sex right now?
Do you think of yourselves primarily as critics intervening through art, or as artists for whom criticism is one of the available forms?
I don’t really understand the distinction between artist and critic. Can you be one and not the other? Like, I get what you mean in the classical sense, and the art world definitely reinforces that fiction with its hierarchies or whatever, but I can’t think of a good artist removed from critiquing the world around them. If you believe in art, you aim for something more; you build what you want to see. To me, that’s criticism. And that’s not a cop-out, I’m not trying to be inclusive here. Most people lack that vision. At the end of the day, there really aren’t that many artists in the art world.
Your recent work explicitly references the works of other artists: your painting in The Meeting – your solo show at Pio Pico – is a copy of Jeremy Ringermacher and Ariel Pink’s The Last Art Piece; your poem “Gun” which was recently read by Petra Cortright makes reference to Gregory Corso’s poem “Bomb”; and your painting Eliza Douglas: Guggenheim, Overduin & Co. is a depiction of an installation view of an Eliza Douglas show, which was itself a staging of the Guggenheim. What interests you about these chains of repetition?
That’s a good question. None of that work is really a copy. The piece at Pio Pico, for example, remakes Ringermacher and Pink’s painting, but in composition only: the subjects are completely different, and the concept, too. Plus there’s not really any documentation of the original – it’s from 1999, when they were undergrads at CalArts… the truest reference was actually some random family photo with the painting way in the background – so how faithful could a copy really be? I guess, then, it makes more sense to call these moves “interpolations” or something, and I think that’s all about momentum and curiosity. The originals are autonomous little things that burrowed into me, mainly because of the stories that came with them. I’m chasing after all that to see where it goes, and sometimes it goes somewhere beautiful and unexpected, like what Petra did with Gun.
At the Pio Pico show, viewers had to hand over their phones before entering the room to see the painting (Untitled (Young adults are having less sex than ever), 2026), while your performance at the ArtCenter panel seemed designed to live on through retelling and digital recording. It often feels like your work is designed to acquire a social life. To what extent is that afterlife part of the work?
You’ve almost conflated these two things – “social life” and “afterlife.” I hadn’t considered it, but they’re pretty similar. When you’re out at a bar, at Prado or whatever… you might as well be in Hades, no? It’s just like this Fortnite lobby full of hysteria, intrigue, and dread. All those lives, unresolved, waiting to be judged... Isn’t that what art is? People want art to be heaven, but that’s so frictionless. And decided. The social life of a work is exciting precisely because it’s alive, and because I have no control over it. For example, that lady who fainted at Pio Pico – she’s now part of the work, whether I like it or not. She thought she saw herself in the painting and, even though she wasn’t actually in it, now she is.
Can rumor, gossip, and word-of-mouth be more aesthetically serious than images?
Well, we’re overrun by images at this point, that’s obvious, but it’s funny: without fail every artist still documents their stuff ruthlessly, and artlessly, in image form. Every single one. All this while they complain about “slop” and homogeneity, by the way. Again, their artistic choice – with the show’s “afterlife,” as you call it, in mind – is to do what everyone else does. Can you imagine? And, maybe worse, a lot of the time it’s the first thing they think about. “How will this look in documentation?” takes precedence over the personal encounter, over something more visceral. If documentation is really that important, and I think it is, why not approach it more critically? Why not use a new frame?
How have media conditions of instant circulation, total documentation, and algorithmic visibility changed what kinds of art feel consequential?
It’s just made art seem that much more unimaginative. Like, these are all new levers to play with, right? Yet no one really wants to touch them. There’s even this whole trend of refusal when it comes to new tech, an active unwillingness to adapt. Curiosity, then, is what? A vice? I don’t get it, it’s conservative, it’s scared. Take streaming: why doesn’t art consider it under a performance umbrella, or as art at all? Here we are, staring down an untapped and lucrative form, and the academy can’t even be bothered to take a second look. It’s why I was so shocked at the reception to our ArtCenter panel: a lot of people, including students – *art* students, mind you – got angry because they wanted to hear debates about oil painting, traditional mid-century stuff or whatever. They felt like we derailed that possibility. To me, though, we were just playing with the tools available, tools that art neglects, that are much more relevant than the ones they don’t.
What would you say to people who think Diva Corp is just a group of edgelord assholes trolling the art establishment?
Oh gosh, I wish them the best. These people love to overcode what we do. They overcode everything, really, it’s sort of endemic in their pocket of the art world. Like, they’ll see the color red and immediately think of Mussolini, and then all of a sudden they’ve got you cornered, talking about how to overthrow the technocracy and their plans for the next No Kings protest. It’s like, great! I’m glad you’re passionate, but what’s that got to do with “red”? There’s comfort in simplicity for them, though, I guess.
When is transgression necessary?
I don’t think too much about transgression. Maybe the more important question is, like, “When is it necessary to fear?” And the answer to that is always: Never. Do what you know is right.















