There is an underground feel to that raw honesty. Is there a political edge to your practice?
I grew up loving underground comics like Robert Crumb, which absolutely shaped me. There is a political side to that scene, my scene. It’s a way of looking at the world without the usual polite filters, much like the satirical cartoons I’ve always loved.
A painting of yours was destroyed in 2004. Artists resigned from galleries in protest in 2008. That was before cancel culture had a name. Now it has an infrastructure. Does that make your work more necessary, or simply more exhausting?
If I made my art just to make people angry, I wouldn't think very highly of that kind of artist. But if the culture reacts with that level of anger on its own, it means you're touching a raw nerve. It’s fascinating that putting some lines and colors on a piece of paper can provoke someone to that extreme of a physical response. It means something is happening.
At the same time, people get obsessed with dark phenomena like the Epstein case because it confirms our worst ideas about our species. It taps into ancient fears, like the story of Bluebeard. In my paintings, the animals - which are always male - act as a sort of metaphor or satire for those human impulses. But I don't see my work as a commentary on wealthy power structures. Incredibly rich men can do horrible things because they have no financial restrictions, but poor men can do equally horrible things. Men are just capable of terrible violence.
Can an image be genuinely disturbing and genuinely necessary at the same time?
I don't really think in terms of my art being "necessary" or not. I don't have a grand moral lesson to give, and I'm certainly not here to lecture anyone. Back in the 80s punk period, it was very trendy to make books full of car crashes, murders and medical gore just to shock people. I always hated that and avoided it completely.
I don't feel I have any business telling other people how to think or how to feel about it. What I like isn't a political debate, it's what we call a frisson - that quick, physical reaction where unease and humor hit you at the exact same time.
The only true failure is total indifference - when people just walk right past the canvas without even looking at it. If they stop, look and react, it means the image bypassed their analytical filters and a genuine current passed from my brain to theirs. When they engage with that intensity, they create a continuity of my work.