office gave Isaac an impromptu pop quiz where there are no wrong answers... except, of course, the wrong ones.
Tell me about the album title, before/after.
It's always a little tricky to figure out a record title. I don't think it's supposed to be super conceptual or anything like that, but they're two words that I felt constantly confronted by. They're everywhere. Every way that we measure time is tethered to these two states of what came before or after a certain event.
How is this project a development from your last record?
All of my records are hyper-personal. It's the subject I feel most comfortable writing about. But in the previous records, I've always made an effort to lyrically remain within the surreal. [This time], there are certain things that I just decided to spell out that aren't really veiled at all.
But I don't know, I feel like the implication is that something had to have progressed, but I feel like maybe the only thing that has progressed is time.
That's really poetic.
Maybe.
What was the process for developing this album?
I wish there was something cooler I could say at this point in time, but it really just is writing songs, and deciding are they going to make the cut for the record or not? I wish it sounded a little more glamorous and exciting than that.
But I did have the chance to work on three of the songs with producers I hadn't worked with before. I branched out. So, this record isn't entirely self-produced.
Do you normally prefer doing it by yourself, or is it just how it falls together?
It's kind of how it happens. Each song is different, but I have a clear idea of how I want the final product to sound. I think that's perhaps one reason I'm so involved. I think it would be different if I were a singer, and I would be like, "Okay, show me something. Here's kind of the vibe that I want." But, I think if you come to songwriting or producing from a musician's perspective, it's really hard to just hand it off to somebody.
How come you don't describe yourself as a singer?
Well, I think there's a lot of people that I enjoy who sing that aren't necessarily singers. Like, I love Gary Wilson, Lou Reed, Elliott Smith. So, I think it really depends. It's what I started doing last. So, you know, I've been playing maybe guitar for like seven years. I don't consider myself a guitar player. I think it's a means to an end.
How does it feel to reflect on your music with the distance of time?
I don't know. I mean, maybe this is also a good way of answering how a record can be put together. But my selection for the album ends up primarily being, what are the songs that I will feel comfortable still being confronted by or having to perform two years down the line?
So, do you find you get sick of your songs, then?
One hundred percent. There are songs that I wrote for this record that I was really excited by that just didn't make the cut. They're still good songs. I just don't want to be performing them. I don't want to be confronted with them anymore.
Does it irritate you when people listen to albums on shuffle?
No, because I have only shuffled the songs and put them into that order. That too is just a shuffle. If you want to shuffle them differently, absolutely go for it. I feel tortured by having to submit the track list, especially as people aren't consuming a whole record. This is what I've seen from my last records: people tend to listen to the first four or five, and then if they were a single, they will get a lot of plays. You can see in the metrics. So, that ends up factoring into my decision. I think the ability to have a long intro is over. It bums me out.
How do you feel about touring?
I like it. It's expensive. I think the only downside if you're an indie musician touring and paying everybody fairly and travel costs have gone up, this kind of stuff. But other than that, I love it. It's a joy to perform music.
Yeah, I’m sure. Do you like seeing the fans?
Absolutely. It's really nice to put faces to what otherwise feels quite arbitrary, or like shouting into the void with releasing music.
Do you have particular songs that people like to see live?
Yeah, Baker Miller Pink is a huge fan favourite. Klein Marx does really well, especially in France, which is funny because it's a German song about how I want to kill myself, but I don't think they know what it means, so they really love it.
How do you feel about the label of pop music? Because I know you've said something about being too indie for pop and too pop for the art world.
Yeah, I think it's hard. I think it is exactly that.
I think, unfortunately, even the indie and the underground is being pantomimed or played into, to a point where it feels performative. We live in postmodernity. There's a lot of pseudo-counterculture signalling going on, and it's just not actually punk.
And I think it's interesting… you know, I'm not really trying to be much of anything. I think that an interesting point in art is when you make use of the fact that you live in postmodern times.
So, there are a lot of different styles that will play an influence in the type of music that I make, but it's not trying to be anything. I think that's always interesting when it's something that does feel unique to the person or special kind of in its own way. And I don't know if there's too much room for that. So, I think it's always interesting to see kind of what performs well in today's day and age, and then try to figure out why.
Does the psychology of that interest you, then?
Of course. And, when I look at how things are marketed, I think those things are interesting. I love that there's this element of gambling involved in it. Some things are really unpredictable. But then, you know what? A lot of things aren't. Like, I was at a music conference in October and, it was really fun. The next day, I was asked to speak on a panel about artists in the age of social media. I was there as an indie artist on an indie label. It wasn't just artists. It was also people who worked in the industry. There was one A&R who was talking about a band who had also been nominated for the same prize I'd been nominated for the previous year, which is like a rising-star prize. And he was like, "Well, it was so amazing, because we experienced so much organic growth."
And I was like, "Okay, so how do you define organic growth?”
He was like, "Well, we just did these activations for the record. We weren’t buying followers. We weren't buying views. We were putting on activations for the record. They were playing on a boat, and we invited 500 people down for free." Like, okay, but that stuff still costs money.
It hasn't really changed much with music being a marketable product. I think people within the industry are far too quick to say that things are organic. Like, okay, yeah, you're not buying views from a streaming farm in Guangzhou, but you're creating an activation... You know what I mean?
I know artists who maybe have a trending sound on TikTok, but then that's unable to translate into actual streams, actual album sales, actual concert sales. I don't think there is this rosy-cheeked idea that if you're just really talented, it's gonna work out. I don't think that's really been the reality for a very long time. And look, I'm not against it. I'm not some social media pariah, you know? It's not ostracising myself from the landscape of music that we're currently in. It's just hard for me to sometimes negotiate how I feel about having to witness certain things.
But yeah, talking about promotion being organic, if you're promoting it, it's not truly organic.
Yeah, it's not.
And that's not a bad thing.
No, it's totally fine. Like, I think it's lovely that there's labels out there throwing money at artist development. I think that's great. But I think if music is being consumed as a product, it should be marketed as one. But then don't say it's organic growth. It's just factually incorrect.
100%, that makes sense. Do you like promoting?
It really depends. I'm trying to get better at it. I am sporadically active on my social media, which, I think doesn't really help the case.
I go through phases—I think it's so fun to be able to execute quick video ideas, and it's such a cool medium. I am just not regular with it in any semblance of the way, and that's not rewarded, right?
It must feel like you almost have to be an influencer.
You think?
You know, I met a really lovely girl at End of the Road Festival last year. And she does about five TikToks a day. And they're cute, but there's so many that I could just never do. Like, "If you like this artist, go check out my music."
It's not for everyone, though… Like, I feel like it’s the worst situation.
Totally. Like, I couldn't delete my social media. I couldn't do that. That kind of... that's kind of a bummer.
No, it's a shame. It becomes such an important part of life, for anyone—music or not.
Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous, but [it’s] just the way it is, I guess.
Would you like it to change?
I wish websites were more of a thing, you know? When I first joined the internet, everybody had their own website. You could just click through a library of different domains. That was really fun.
Also, everybody owned their own website, so it's not like you were on platforms owned by creepy billionaires.
No, I mean, the internet changes so rapidly. It's unfathomable, really. Because not many people would have their own website now unless it's for a professional reason.
Yeah. Well, I have one.
That's good, though. People should have more websites.
Yeah, but why wouldn't you have a website, you know?
Oh, well, I do have a website, darling. I do.
[Laughing] Okay, cool.
It’s crazy really. How does all the information get processed? How is it even possible?
Wasn't it that, like, “We are confronted in a day with as much decision-making as a Victorian adult was confronted with in their whole lifetime”?
[Laughing] You Know, I feel like I know the answer, but do you like listening to your own music?
Yeah.
Okay, really?
Were you surprised by that answer?
I thought you were going to say, "No, I don't like listening to it."
No, I think you're doing something really wrong if you don't like listening to your own music.
It's not like that's exclusively what I listen to, and especially after making a record, spending a significant amount of time with it, that can then get tedious.
But I enjoyed listening to it, and there were phases where—and I'm sure once I start touring again, I've had a very deliberate break from listening to it, and I'm sure once I start touring and playing the songs, I'll be really happy to play them because I am really proud of them.
So, I think if you're not able to enjoy and listen to your own music, you're doing something wrong. Don't make music. How do you expect other people to listen to it if you can't even listen to it?
Can you tell me about Poison Time as a concept, and define it as a term?
The name Poison Time came to us during the making of the record, and we were writing a particular song where that was a lyric. We just thought that "poison time" was maybe an era in our minds, and it felt like we were all in poison time right now.
We quickly decided that we weren't gonna try and explain it too much because it was also a name that spoke for itself. You know, it's evocative enough, and it raises questions more than it answers them.
There's definitely a desire for artistic statements to be completely whole when in fact the opaqueness makes it more immersive and enjoyable.
We're definitely on that boat, as huge David Lynch fans, who famously refused to ever explain anything he did.
Similarly to David Lynch, Part of Faux Real’s impetus as a performance project feels tied to the faux-reality of Los Angeles, the city that you now call home. How did the uncaniness of the city lend itself to this project?
This album came together pretty quickly and it was all written in LA in our bedroom studio. I think definitely the city has an imprint on the sound, but what you're saying about the uncanniness of this place is definitely a major and constant theme for us.
We elected to come here, you know, we chose to live in the city five years ago for these same reasons, because that drew us in. Geographically speaking, this is our first LA record, so it's in there a lot. The song [from] which the lyric Poison Time is lifted is a song called “Hides of March” that we started writing right around when the fires were happening last winter 2025. We were just waking up, and there were half-burnt books in the garden, just traveling in the wind. It was just a really strange, surreal time.
Tell me about “I Got Mine.” The lyrics seem to portray someone relenting to heartbreak and disappointment. Where did this song come from? How does this single sit alongside “Seesaw” and “That Far?” Do they all follow the same emotional arc?
“I Got Mine” is one of the more intimate songs on the record, which is funny because it's also one of the singles. It's about heartbreak and and getting over it and spiraling back into peace after a moment of turmoil.
There are a few overarching themes. One of them is "The Myth of the Ship of Theseus." [For] our first album, we were kind of obsessed with Sisyphus rolling the boulder up the hill every day and having to do it for all of eternity as punishment. There's less guilt on this record. The ship of Theseus was a really interesting myth or story for us, because the paradox is, if you replace every board on the ship to preserve it, after a while every board is new.
When we finally sat down to start making album two, we'd just been touring for three years straight. It was this relentless go-go-go up until we finally dropped the album. When we finally sat down after all that, we were like, wow, what a crazy crescendo that was. Well, the next logical step is just to do it all again.
Another thing that we were interested in writing about on this album was mythology, and these things have as much depth to them as something that can be so small and mundane in your everyday life. How the micro and the macro affect everyone so significantly. When you read a sentence in The Odyssey, you feel like whoever wrote it is making fun of you, like directly pointing the finger at you through the centuries.
There's so much of the sublime in the mundane, and that's where good lyricism and good poetry are meant to take you.
In the same way, you'll read the label on the back of a cereal box, and it just breaks you down into tears. That's why there's this mythology name-dropping throughout the record, but it's also countered with hyper-mundane ritual acts of everyday life.
The song where we literally say, ‘The Ship of Theseus’ is a song called “One by One.” The song is bookended by found sound. The sounds are just us at the beach on a vacation, so it's the most intimate and the most grand, meshed into one. I never even thought about that.
Are you the ones who choreograph your performances?
It's all self-taught because we don't have a dancing background at all. We just started dancing for the sake of this project, and it was an inside joke that went a little too far, and now we're working with choreographers. It was largely to just give us something to do on stage at first, and we were like, okay, what looks good? We do have a sort of visual arts component to this. Elliot's a filmmaker and a painter, and so that was the lens through which we looked at it.
We've done over 200 performances now, and also with the brother thing, we definitely have just a shared language and understanding of spatial awareness of each other by now.
What was the process of making this music? Is it similarly insular?
Our history with music-making is a little bit different because we've both been in bands and projects and making music for almost 20 years now. By the time we started the project, we were both coming from more traditional rock band backgrounds. When we started writing the songs that would become Faux Real together, we were like, let's forget everything we think we know about making music and just go purely off instinct. Because we're brothers, there was immediately some ease into what we were trying to say.
The insular nature of the start of Faux Real allowed us to experiment and find the sound that would become our first and then second records. So it was a necessary tunnel to go through in a way.
It’s kind of like that band, The Shaggs. They didn't really know how to play music or write songs, and [their dad] just had them rehearsing until they made a record, and it's so bizarre. The music sounds like nothing else you've ever heard because it's so disjointed. That's a big North Star for us.
What are your thoughts on nostalgia culture? Where does iteration versus inspiration come from?
I definitely have participated in musical projects that were revivalist in a way. As fun as it is and as niche as it is, I think that's something we tried to steer away from. Of course, our music's gonna be informed by our wealth of knowledge, and we know our classics. It's not that we're consciously trying to steer it into a modern direction; we're just interested in doing something that feels original to us, that feels fresh and new
I think generally speaking— and this has been a good and a bad thing for the project— is that every time we feel like we're doing something that sounds like that or looks like that one thing, we're like, nope.
When there's a reference, it's usually accompanied by another that offsets it or subverts it. I think that's kind of how we feel about nostalgia. It's a super powerful thing to draw from emotionally, but if you pursue it for its own sake, it kind of bites its own tail and stops being productive.
How do you balance emotional surety and closeness with satire in writing? Do you think it’s possible to satirize without a monoculture to speak to?
I think it's about dosage. A little bit is good; too much of it kind of spoils the fun. And I think an emotionally close song is heightened by self-awareness and sometimes self-deprecation in small doses.
I think even lacking a monoculture, because now everything is fragmented through the internet, it's like what I was saying about the philosopher talking to you through the centuries and making fun of you for not getting out of bed because you're sad. You still gotta get on with it. Everybody understands that. That's like, fundamentally human.
There's a degree of self-awareness and us poking fun at certain things that we do knowingly, and it's just part of the language. In the stories we tell, there's always that element of, what if we threw a pun in this song that’s about something really dark? It's not something you necessarily pick up on the first time you listen, and then the second time you listen, you're like, wait. I think there's a lot of flavor there.
What does “musical theatre pop” mean to you?
It's the way that I approach music sonically. You can hear the representation of musical theatre. But it’s the overall storytelling and bringing out the theatricality of pop. It’s already theatrical in a lot of ways, so it is really exaggerating that, really making it camp, really making it as dramatic as possible.
Are there any particular musicals that have inspired you?
Yes, I have a lot. I grew up listening to show tunes. But I love Chicago.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I love Burlesque, which was a movie first. Now is actually on the West End. Hopefully it’s coming to Broadway soon. But that movie overall really inspired me.
Yes, Christina and Cher are amazing in that movie.
Yes, I love it so much. I would say those are my go-tos because they're so diva and I just love a diva show.
Do you ever want to go on the West End or Broadway?
One day I would love to be on Broadway, when the time is right. Pop star first.
It's definitely a pipeline, pop singers going on Broadway.
Yes. I've been seeing that pattern lately.
Are there any dream shows you want to be in?
This is hard. I would love to play Galinda [in Wicked] one day. That would be awesome. I would also love to play Roxie in Chicago. That would be amazing. I don't know. I have dream roles of shows that don't exist yet.
You can make them.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Moving on to your new project, RAEGAN CORE. The title sounds like a trend. What was the inspiration behind that?
RAEGAN CORE happened by accident. It was in rehearsal. I always dress very Raegan core, no pun intended. Very experimental and very me. I like to represent myself through fashion. It's my self-expression. One of my band members was looking at my skirt and she was like, “that's so Raegan core”. For me, it's the theatre kid manifesto, the queer kid, the drama queens, the crybabies. It’s a space where we can all coexist and be unapologetically ourselves bold and loud. That's what RAEGAN CORE means to me.
When you write, do you start with lyrics or production?
It depends. A lot of the time I start with production first because production is how I feel within my body and then lyrics are how I feel in my head. But there have been so many times that it hasn't been that where I come with my notes app already decked out with paragraphs.
Is there one song from RAEGAN CORE that you feel like fans are going to connect with most?
When it comes to live performance, I would say It's So Hard to Be Me is always a crowd favourite. That's the one that will drop September 18th with the full project. Every time I perform it, it's like a magnetic energy in the room. I live to perform that song.
What are your first memories of musical theatre?
I've done musical theatre growing up, literally since I came out the womb. My first memory of me doing a musical was me completely forgetting my lines. I was a cheerleader, and I went to go do a cheer and completely froze. I just forgot every word. Since then, I have never remembered what I was supposed to say. I remember it distinctly and I remember feeling in the moment that you have to keep going. You can't freeze. So, I just improvised and I will never forget that. That's a huge lesson that's carried on through my whole career and all of my performances. You have to be locked in. If you mess up, it's part of the show. Keep going. No one needs to know.
Does that happen a lot?
No, but it can happen in different ways. I don't often forget the words because I've written the songs. I can't say that it hasn't happened. But it's very rare. I also think it's easy, when you have this persona and when you are musical theatre; you can make it part of the show. One time I was like, “wait, wait, stop, stop” and stopped the band. I was then like, “okay, now go.” No one in the audience knew. Even my girlfriend was like, “oh, I thought you rehearsed that.” Perfect. I'm glad you thought that.
How is this project a development from your previous work?
I think my goal was to represent who I am now. My first project, FUCK RAEGAN, was made in high school. So, it was me coming of age. When you're a kid, you just exist. Then you're like, “oh, I'm alive.”
Consciousness.
Exactly. That was the word. And then you're like, “okay, who am I?” And I think that's what FUCK RAEGANwas. It represented who I was when I was 16 to 18. I think RAEGAN CORE is self-reflection and realising who I am and who I want to be; who I am as 23-year-old Raegan.
Tell me about your upcoming tour.
I’m doing my first headline tour, which I'm really excited about. It will be in New York, LA, and Chicago, end of September, early October. It will be a cohesive RAEGAN CORE production.
Are you nervous for it?
I'm not nervous. Honestly, I'm just excited. The thing about performing is I don't get nervous until the second I'm about to walk on the stage. Right before then, I'm like, “oh shit, this is scary.” My heart goes crazy, and then I get on stage and it all subsides. In the preparation period, I don't feel nervous. I need to give the best show that I can give and really entertain people. That's my intention.
Which song on RAEGAN CORE is most like what you want to create in the future?
I'm just going to say one of my favourite songs on the project. The Angel of Los Angeles. I love that song. That's the song I'll listen to on loop, of my own music. You do it a lot before it's out, listening to your own music. The Angel of Los Angeles will never get old to me. I want to always be obsessed with my music.
So, do you think you could ever get tired of performing any of your songs?
So, like most artists, I would say yes, if I didn't continue to recreate them. I think that if I were to do the same song in the exact same way over and over, of course. That's human nature. But I think that what makes it exciting and new is when you have a band and it's live, you can always recreate them. So, I try not to get tired of them and try to make ways that feel new. So, yes and no.
What's the costume situation going to be like on tour?
I'm working on that right now. All I can say is that I want a lot of costume changes. I want it to be extra.
Outfit changes every song, basically.
That would be ideal.
Is the show going to be a big surprise for everyone?
Oh, for sure. I always like people to leave feeling inspired, feeling energised and feeling entertained. That's my key word. I get bored easily and I never want to be a person boring somebody. The art of performing is continuing to win people's attention.
That's relevant these days with TikTok and everything. People’s attention is spread thinly.
I know, and mine too. So, I'm the best judge of if it's going to be entertaining or not. Because I'll be bored of myself if it's not.
Do you have any dream collaborations?
I have so many.
Everyone always loves that question.
Yeah, I love it. Just tell me when to stop. It's like cheese [at a restaurant].
Say when
Lady Gaga, of course, would be a dream. Ariana Grande. Marina as well. I grew up listening to Marina and the Diamonds. She raised me. That would be insane.
She's so theatrical as well.
She's so cool. I love her. Like we said in the beginning, I would love to be a part of Broadway. I'll stop there.
