The first thing that I noticed about your music is that there’s this really poetic element--this emphasis on lyrics that stands out from a lot of other stuff out there.
I’ve been writing poetry my whole life. I don’t have any formal training with music. I just wanted to make my poems real. And that’s why a lot of my music is really minimalist, too. In a lot of the music I hear today, there’s too much focus on how music sounds and not what it’s saying. I love trap music, but if you were really listening to the lyrics of a lot of this stuff, you probably would not fuck with it. Just be cautious of what you’re listening to. I try not to hide anything with a catchy beat.
That’s interesting. So you’re coming at this from a background in writing?
I’ve just been really taking my time and learning the craft. I want to understand what the words mean to me because I feel like this is the only place I really get to be vulnerable and seen in a soft light, because a lot of people think I’m a really hard bitch. That is a part of me, but I have an emotional side, too, and it’s important. But my biggest goal here is to make art that is beautiful rather than just for entertainment.
There’s a totally different kind of power in being vulnerable.
Yeah. And it has really been a journey of self discovery as well. I was making music when I was coming out of a really dark place in my life, and music saved me—deciding to take that next step and stop being a pussy and make my own art. It made me leave New York, and if I didn’t leave when I did, I don’t know how happy or even how alive, I’d be right now.
How old were you when you left New York?
I was 23. I left New York mad funny. I was helping out at this label, and I just got this big ass check from Reebok because I was sponsored by them for a minute. I was like, "Bet," and then my taxes came in. So I went to LA. I had taken the Amtrak down, and that’s where I met all these people I was hanging with down in LA. I drank lean for the first time. I met a really great photographer who did a shoot with me, they were shooting a movie on the Amtrak, I met the people I started making music with...
...So you were just like, "Fuck it, I’m staying in LA"?
Yeah. I was only supposed to be there for three weeks, and down to week three I was supposed to get a plane ticket home because I was mad broke. I had spent all my money on alcohol because, you know, that’s what I do. I was trying to find a job, so I texted a bunch of people and I was like, "If none of these people text back saying I’m gong to hire you, I’m just going to have to go home." But I got a job, and I was like, "Damn, that’s a sign. There’s no way in hell I’m not supposed to be here."
And you liked the music that was happening?
The music was too good to leave. I wasn’t recording before, but there, people were giving me a chance.